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Imogen |
Jul 16 2005, 06:20 AM
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I finished at 4 am and was absolutely thrilled with the whole thing. The books seem to have picked up their magic again after such a shock with book 5. The H/Gness was perfect, and what's the betting that's going to be resumed in Book 7 at the end - or at least we know the potential is there. And such Harryish reasons for breaking things off. Loved the impromptu kiss in the common room as well, and him wrestling with how Ron was going to react. Totally fantastic to finally see that all happening in the flesh. As for Snape - my jaw just about dropped! The book obviously belonged to someone slightly dodgy because Hermione kept warning about it all the way through, and it seemed possible it might be Snape (who's obviously adept at potions), but I couldn't work out how he could be the HBP, until I was finally told at the end. We all knew Dumbledore was going to go, but not like that. I never thought Snape would kill him - I honestly thought it would happen with Voldemort. It certainly looks like Snape has reverted to the dark side, exposing the order. But part of me has to wonder if this is a double bluff on JKR's part. We still don't know why Dumbledore trusted him so much. There's some unfinished business here. The soul dividing thing makes a lot of sense and provides a nice focus for that last book. The hubby (who has now nabbed my copy) is wondering whether a piece of V's soul might be inside Harry himself. Which would be an interesting twist. I'm looking forward to that last book and seeing how everything wraps up. Loads of other thoughts are buzzing R/Hness - arguments and that lovely scene at the funeral -, Remus and Tonks, Bill and Fleur (Go Fleur after Bill was bitten, but I loved the Phlegm nickname!) Malfoy and what's going to happen to him now. He couldn't kill Dumbledore, so how is he going to cope as a Death Eater (assuming Voldemort accepts him to take his father's place now), how is Harry finally going to learn to block Snape out of his thoughts. In a word WOW! Great book. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Imogen
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After her O.W.L.s Hope had managed to persuade her dad to give her a crash course in what he laughingly referred to as “Parseltongue for tourists”. Being in Slytherin, she’d thought it had been the epitome of cool to return to school with such useful snakey phrases as “Can you pass the apple pie, please?” and “Would you be good enough to tell me what time the train to Madrid departs from Platform Two?” . ~ A Pensieve Affair ~ Now being posted...
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Jul 16 2005, 03:17 PM
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That is so not cool. I was just getting my book when you were done! I finished an hour ago and I am in two minds. I am SO thrilled about the H/G-ness! omg! I was antisipating Ron and Hermione but Harry and Ginny were a complete bonus! However, Harry and that nobility complex. . . .grrrrrr. I totaly shocked about Snape. I am SO upset about everything involving him and this book! Bad Bad man, is he! (but I still Lurve him I do!) We all knew about Dumbledore was going to. . . .But not like that. . .not after. . . "I am not worried, Harry". . ."I am with you." so. . . . where is book 7? . . .
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~*~"Now, perhaps you had better go and join your classes. This is, after all,” Dumbledore’s eyes twinkled behind his glasses, “a school, not the underground resistance against Voldemort!”~*~ the promis ring by: the White Lilly~~~Courage: Braving the cold hard wood floors at midnight to sneek downstairs for a bit of cheesecake."Cause getting your dreams It's strange, but it seems A little - well - complicated There's a kind of a sort of : cost There's a couple of things get: lost There are bridges you cross You didn't know you crossed Until you've crossed And if that joy, that thrill Doesn't thrill you like you think it will Still - " ~WIckED"From the outside looking in, you can never understand it. From the inside looking out, we can never explain it."
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Jul 17 2005, 04:42 AM
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Yay!!! I'm not the only one thinking it's Regulas!! QUOTE | What, like 3 pages of them "being together"? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.............lol. I cant believe Im THIS frustrated and annoyed about that one scene at the end. Cuz of course thats how it would happen, but really.....there were only like 3 PAGES of them being happy together.......NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!.( ROFL), noo..., whimper....
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Lol!!! I know how you feel!
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~*~"Now, perhaps you had better go and join your classes. This is, after all,” Dumbledore’s eyes twinkled behind his glasses, “a school, not the underground resistance against Voldemort!”~*~ the promis ring by: the White Lilly~~~Courage: Braving the cold hard wood floors at midnight to sneek downstairs for a bit of cheesecake."Cause getting your dreams It's strange, but it seems A little - well - complicated There's a kind of a sort of : cost There's a couple of things get: lost There are bridges you cross You didn't know you crossed Until you've crossed And if that joy, that thrill Doesn't thrill you like you think it will Still - " ~WIckED"From the outside looking in, you can never understand it. From the inside looking out, we can never explain it."
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Jul 17 2005, 05:37 AM
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What do I do now? Well, I guessed that Snape was the hbp when sluggy made that comment to him at the party, something about being as good as Snape at potions. Oh, but I totally did not see *that* coming... my *favorite* character!! It's no fair! Dad thought that something was seriously wrong when that happened, I was sitting in front of the fire, then suddenly burst into tears I also thought about R.A.B. being Sirius' little bro, but my brother's nicked off with my books so I can't check some facts. Is his middle name on the tappestry of the Black family tree? and Is that locket in the cabinet that they cleaned out, maybe? *Loved* the H/G, but why does Harry have to be so demmed noble? >< All in all, both hate and love the book, but mostly love EDIT: Best line EVER! QUOTE | I must say, your agapanthuses are flourishing. |
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Jul 17 2005, 06:12 AM
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Just checked OOTP, and it only lists Regulas Black, no middle name, but Sirius' favorit uncle who left him money was...Alphard? Maybe it was Regulas Alphard Black? And it was confirmed in both OOTP and HBP that Regulas was killed by Death Eaters. Sirius says that he tried to back out, and there was mention at the beginning of HBP that Regulas didn't survive as long as Boris when hunted by Death Eaters. I am so emotionally spent right now. This had so many elements (yay for all the correct FF ships!) that made this book my favorite. Just brilliant. I had so many verbal reactions to this book. I giggled over potions when Harry was describing what the love potion smelled like, and then in later chapters that familiar scent was mentioned again, but realted to Ginny. That's what got me thinking about how that love potion worked -- its most powerful scent must be related to the person you love, because that's exactally when Hermione blushed and stopped describing what she smelled. Gasped with Snape. Evil, evil man. I do believe that he was working as a double agent, that Dumbledore was hoodwinked in some way. JKR stated not long ago that Snape is EVIL. I sure believe it now. Gasped again when I heard Bill was a body, but then relieved to hear he wasn't dead. *snigger* Phlegm. I teared up over Dumbledore's death and funeral. This was truly amazing. Favorite quotes: QUOTE | "Do you remember me telling you we are practicing nonverbal spells, Potter?"
"Yes," said Harry stiffly.
"Yes, sir."
"There's no need to call me 'sir,' Professor." *** "...I'm keeping you in overnight. You shouldn't overexert yourself for a few hours."
I don't want to stay here overnight," sand Harry angrily, sitting up and throwing back his covers. "I want to find McLaggen and kill him."
"I'm afraid that would come under the heading of 'overexertion,' " said Madam Pomfrey,..." |
To echo dear Sockless and zyugh, when do we get book 7???
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Imogen |
Jul 17 2005, 09:47 AM
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Regulus would seem to fit with the content of the note. Someone close to Voldemort who knew he was going to die, but was making a last ditch attempt to weaken the Dark Lord. Fits with someone who didn't realise what being a Death Eater was all about and then was revolted by it. For some strange reason I thought we've come across him as Regulus A. Black before, but I don't have time to chase down where I've seen that. Won't be fanfic because I've not read any. Books? JKR's site?
In which case you're right. Grimmauld Place, or the stuff Mundungus has stolen.
Do you think Hogwarts is going to close next year? Might be handier for Harry and co if it does, because then at least they'll have supportive people around to help in their quest for the horcruxes next year.
And H/G is only on hold. That's going to be right back in the end. Look at all the positives, like the 'perfect understanding', 'source of comfort' and the fact she was the only one who could lead him away from Dumbledore. He's responding instinctively to her and she understands him through and through. It's just a matter of time. *sighs happily*
Finished my reread and I'm still as delighted with the book as I was. Unfortunately I've got to work today so no time left to mull over it.
Where did JKR say Snape was evil? I've still got this uneasy feeling it might be some sort of double bluff that will come good in the end. I wonder if portrait Dumbledore will spill the beans on why he trusted Snape so much?
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After her O.W.L.s Hope had managed to persuade her dad to give her a crash course in what he laughingly referred to as “Parseltongue for tourists”. Being in Slytherin, she’d thought it had been the epitome of cool to return to school with such useful snakey phrases as “Can you pass the apple pie, please?” and “Would you be good enough to tell me what time the train to Madrid departs from Platform Two?” . ~ A Pensieve Affair ~ Now being posted...
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Jul 17 2005, 09:55 AM
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Oooh - just had a nasty thought. The spell binding Harry, so he couldn't act while Dumbledore was being killed, vanished once Dumbledore was dead. It had no power any more once the spell's caster is no more. So Dumbledore was the secret keeper of the OotP, and it was he who could tell where the HQ was. Now he's dead, does that mean that any of the order can tell the location? In which case are the Order in danger. They'd cleared out at the beginning of book 6, but once Harry was found to be the rightful owner, would they have moved back in? Is this going to leave them more vulnerable to Snape's treachery?
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After her O.W.L.s Hope had managed to persuade her dad to give her a crash course in what he laughingly referred to as “Parseltongue for tourists”. Being in Slytherin, she’d thought it had been the epitome of cool to return to school with such useful snakey phrases as “Can you pass the apple pie, please?” and “Would you be good enough to tell me what time the train to Madrid departs from Platform Two?” . ~ A Pensieve Affair ~ Now being posted...
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Jul 17 2005, 04:00 PM
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Not sure I agree with you Robert, although it's a really interesting theory. Isn't it the case that a horcrux can only be created through a murder in the first place? Voldie didn't murder anything (as far as we know) at that time to enable anything to be made into a horcrux.
Snape's playing Snape's game. I wonder if he's actually doing it for Voldie, or if he has designs of grandeur himself? I agree though - he'll die next book.
Going back to the idea of there being one inside Harry, I've dismissed that idea completely now. If that was true, there's no way Voldie would want to kill Harry. It's making himself too vulnerable. Although it's a fun idea to think about
*kicks off plot bunny*
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After her O.W.L.s Hope had managed to persuade her dad to give her a crash course in what he laughingly referred to as “Parseltongue for tourists”. Being in Slytherin, she’d thought it had been the epitome of cool to return to school with such useful snakey phrases as “Can you pass the apple pie, please?” and “Would you be good enough to tell me what time the train to Madrid departs from Platform Two?” . ~ A Pensieve Affair ~ Now being posted...
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Jul 17 2005, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE (Elenarda @ Jul 17 2005, 02:47 AM) | Where did JKR say Snape was evil? I've still got this uneasy feeling it might be some sort of double bluff that will come good in the end. I wonder if portrait Dumbledore will spill the beans on why he trusted Snape so much? | JKR said it in an interview I read somewhere...but I can't remember where. She was talking about all the people who make Draco or Snape into good characters, etc. Now that I think of it, she had mentioned as well that all the fan girls of Draco should separate the character of Draco from the movie actor (meaning that yes, the actor is cute) because the character of Draco is not a good guy. But we (and Harry) saw a glimmer of good in Draco at the end of HBP as Harry noted that Draco's wand was wavering (or something like that) and probably would not have killed Dumbledore.
I do believe (for now) Snape is working as a double agent and is still a black hearted Death Eater, but should evidence present itself in another way, I'll change my opinion. I just think that Dumbledore was looking at the good in Snape and thought Snape really had repented. Hmmm. Really, it could go either way.
About the headquarters of the Order of the Phoenix, Harry said they could continue to meet there, but Dumbledore never confirms nor denys that they do continue, and Harry doesn't go back to #12 at all in book 6. Perhaps HQ moved?
Imogen, I agree with you about H/G. They will be together in the end. And I too am looking forwad to what the portrait of Dumbledore will have to say.
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